ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:00:02 ] TheBlueFox > i afk there all day

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:00:20 ] TheBlueFox > and have a program capture screenshots every 15 seconds

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:00:37 ] TheBlueFox > then it would read who is there and upload it to my website :-o

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:00:58 ] Treeati Harnsore > interesting

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:01:16 ] Treeati Harnsore > sell access to the website

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:01:23 ] TheBlueFox > perfectly legal as im not doing anything to the game

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:01:30 ] Treeati Harnsore > 5 bucks a month for a password

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:01:37 ] TheBlueFox > lol, i was thinking ISK

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:01:47 ] Treeati Harnsore > easy and reliable way to check for activity in ym

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:01:49 ] Treeati Harnsore > ok isk

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:01:53 ] TheBlueFox > time to sell it to hammer

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:02:07 ] Treeati Harnsore > you got a business model there

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:02:41 ] TheBlueFox > time to write a quick VB script

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:03:23 ] Treeati Harnsore > if you get an alt or two you could monitor more than one system

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:05:21 ] Treeati Harnsore > make your script to trim the screenshot to just the size of your local window

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:05:36 ] Treeati Harnsore > will save on size and speed up upload

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:05:37 ] TheBlueFox > actually

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:05:41 ] TheBlueFox > im not going to do screenshots

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:05:44 ] TheBlueFox > just directly read the memory

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:05:51 ] Treeati Harnsore > ah

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:06:52 ] Treeati Harnsore > can you get corp readings too

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:10:43 ] Treeati Harnsore > dude

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:10:53 ] Treeati Harnsore > just thought of something

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:11:20 ] TheBlueFox > hmm?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:11:37 ] Treeati Harnsore > you could make an app like that that would update to a page but you would distribute the program to all corpies

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:11:57 ] Treeati Harnsore > updates would stay until replaced and be timestamped

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:12:06 ] TheBlueFox > everyone could run it and we would have a nice intel system :-o

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:12:13 ] Treeati Harnsore > yes

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:12:38 ] Treeati Harnsore > all allies even

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:12:48 ] Treeati Harnsore > and once theyre not allies boom change master pw

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:12:59 ] Treeati Harnsore > redist pw to current allies

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:13:33 ] TheBlueFox > i like this...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:13:45 ] Treeati Harnsore > with a bit of database processing you could even track movements

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:13:51 ] Treeati Harnsore > patterns

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:14:42 ] TheBlueFox > i like this idea

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:14:45 ] Treeati Harnsore > you could know when a pirate tended to be on and where

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:15:06 ] TheBlueFox > i could definitely sell this

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:15:10 ] TheBlueFox > lots of ISK :D

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:15:24 ] Treeati Harnsore > oh yea

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:15:40 ] Treeati Harnsore > every alliance would want this program if you could get it to work

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:15:49 ] TheBlueFox > it would be like a killboard...but better

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:15:59 ] Treeati Harnsore > much, much better

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:17:29 ] Treeati Harnsore > well dont forget me when you get rich rofl

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:17:34 ] Treeati Harnsore > anyways im out

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:17:36 ] TheBlueFox > aww :(

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:17:51 ] Treeati Harnsore > got work to do, so ill leave you to your machiavellian schemes lol

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:17:52 ] TheBlueFox > i think compensation for you isnt too unreasonable :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:17:58 ] TheBlueFox > ill see what i can have by thursday

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:18:13 ] Treeati Harnsore > ok hehe

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:18:14 ] Treeati Harnsore > nite

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:21:57 ] TheBlueFox > dram!

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:22:04 ] Dramius > ?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:22:12 ] TheBlueFox > like my idea?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:22:20 ] Dramius > wasnt paying attention

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:22:24 ] TheBlueFox > scroll up

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:22:26 ] Dramius > what is it?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:22:44 ] TheBlueFox > pretty much a distributed way to determine enemy movements

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:22:55 ] Dramius > killboards?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:23:07 ] TheBlueFox > small program i write would sit on your computer and upload the names of everyone in local to my site

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:23:08 ] Dramius > could work

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:23:13 ] TheBlueFox > tracking their movements

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:23:27 ] Dramius > need a bunch of people in different systems though

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:23:35 ] TheBlueFox > yes, idea is we have the alliance running it

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:23:40 ] TheBlueFox > or i sell it to others

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:24:03 ] Dramius > sounds interesting

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:24:30 ] TheBlueFox > should be relatively easy to implement

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:25:00 ] TheBlueFox > i was thinking of people to being able to set standings and having alerts if they are wanted

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:25:46 ] TheBlueFox > it would be perfectly legit too as it doesnt interact with the game

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:25:51 ] Dramius > how much would you charge for this service?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:26:08 ] TheBlueFox > well, i was thinking free for the alliance

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:26:14 ] TheBlueFox > but monthly fees for anyone else?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:26:35 ] Dramius > 5-10 mill?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:26:42 ] TheBlueFox > easy way to make ISK for me since i wouldnt be selling it for actual money

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:26:48 ] TheBlueFox > sounds reasonable

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:27:02 ] TheBlueFox > as people would technically be using my bandwidth and such :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:27:21 ] Abyx > mornin

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:27:27 ] TheBlueFox > a little mysql, php, ajax, and vb, and this would be working

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:27:29 ] Dramius > o/

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:27:39 ] TheBlueFox > im going to see if i can have a very basic version running on thursday

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:27:45 ] TheBlueFox > just outputs stuff to a file

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:27:48 ] TheBlueFox > morning

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:27:51 ] Dramius > ambitious arent we?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:28:02 ] TheBlueFox > have to be to accomplish something, dont you? :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:28:22 ] Dramius > lol

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:28:24 ] TheBlueFox > but im dead serious about this...my brother wrote something just like this for FFXI

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:28:42 ] Dramius > did it work well?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:28:44 ] TheBlueFox > yes

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:28:46 ] Dramius > did he make money off it?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:28:56 ] TheBlueFox > no, he doesnt need money in FFXI

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:29:14 ] Dramius > what do you use for currency in ffxi?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:29:35 ] TheBlueFox > if we translated gil --> USD --> ISK, he would have about 15 billion in cash and 10 billion in gear

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:30:14 ] Dramius > uhh.....

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:30:23 ] Dramius > why doest he sell gil?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:30:24 ] TheBlueFox > yes, he doesnt work and has lots of free time

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:30:33 ] TheBlueFox > dunno :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:30:37 ] TheBlueFox > but i would definitely sell this

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:32:16 ] Dramius > goddamnit....ctd

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:32:35 ] TheBlueFox > ?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:32:42 ] Dramius > eve crashed

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:32:47 ] TheBlueFox > oh :(

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:32:56 ] TheBlueFox > but yeah, i could make myself and the corp rich

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:33:04 ] TheBlueFox > faction BSs for everyone!

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:33:14 ] Dramius > lol

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:33:21 ] Dramius > get me a new nightmare

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:33:23 ] Dramius > to pvp in

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:33:25 ] Dramius > it'll be awesome

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:35:53 ] TheBlueFox > ...eve certainly has lots of redundancy

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:36:17 ] Dramius > ?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:36:33 ] TheBlueFox > just analyzing a bunch of stuff that eve stores in memory

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:36:49 ] Dramius > ah

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:37:12 ] TheBlueFox > pretty much i need to determine where stuff is stored in memory

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:37:25 ] Dramius > that hard to do?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:37:39 ] TheBlueFox > not really...just time consuming

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:38:08 ] TheBlueFox > problem is that i cant change memory locations to see what changes as that would be cheating

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:38:13 ] TheBlueFox > i can only monitor stuff

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:38:34 ] Dramius > uh.....huh.......

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:38:53 ] TheBlueFox > ?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:39:13 ] TheBlueFox > did i lose you or something? :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:39:36 ] Dramius > haha.....if you try to explain this to me...im just gonna ge lost

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:39:46 ] TheBlueFox > well, ill make it simple

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:39:56 ] Dramius > getting sleepy....and Im trying to finish this mission.....annoyed that registration is so early

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:40:10 ] Dramius > who makes class registration at 6 am?....that person should be shot

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:40:16 ] TheBlueFox > agreed

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:40:24 ] TheBlueFox > i have a meeting at work at 6am tomorrow

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:40:26 ] TheBlueFox > its going to suck

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:40:31 ] Dramius > ouch

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:41:04 ] TheBlueFox > yep, i close at 11pm the previous night

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:41:07 ] TheBlueFox > err, today

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:41:13 ] TheBlueFox > and then 6-8am meeting

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:41:22 ] TheBlueFox > and class from 8:30 to 9:45

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:41:26 ] TheBlueFox > then i have a test to take

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:41:32 ] TheBlueFox > then i'll pass out and sleep

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:41:36 ] Dramius > sounds like a fun day lol

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:41:40 ] TheBlueFox > very

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:41:47 ] Dramius > what test?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:41:52 ] TheBlueFox > ...chem

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:02 ] TheBlueFox > i think ill do alright

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:03 ] Dramius > general chem?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:05 ] TheBlueFox > passed the last one :D

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:09 ] TheBlueFox > oh, no

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:13 ] TheBlueFox > not just ordinary chem

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:13 ] Dramius > orgo?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:17 ] TheBlueFox > its the evil kind remember?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:27 ] Dramius > lol....the one I took and tried to forget about

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:36 ] Dramius > the worst is probaby BIochem

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:44 ] Dramius > it combines bio and orgo

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:42:51 ] TheBlueFox > thats extra evil

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:44:27 ] Dramius > yea....got a test this thursday

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:44:31 ] Dramius > no clue what going on.......

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:44:44 ] Dramius > some how Im still managing a B in the class

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:48:04 ] TheBlueFox > memory mapping is definitely going to be a bitch

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:48:17 ] TheBlueFox > luckily a lot is stored in the memory

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:48:55 ] TheBlueFox > i can probably extract not just the name, but pretty much everything about them

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:50:31 ] Dramius > nice

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:54:36 ] Dramius > well bed time

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:54:38 ] Dramius > nn

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:54:53 ] TheBlueFox > later

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 05:57:50 ] TheBlueFox > /emote pokes rek

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:05:07 ] TheBlueFox > yarr...you're all afk again

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:05:52 ] Abyx > i'm not..entirely....

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:06:12 ] TheBlueFox > the devs certainly made reading memory difficult..

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:06:43 ] Abyx > i dont; think u;re allowed to do that anyway :P that;s why they provided the api keys

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:06:50 ] TheBlueFox > sure i am

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:06:54 ] TheBlueFox > i can read the memory all i want

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:07:01 ] TheBlueFox > modyfing it on the other hand..

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:07:07 ] Abyx > hehe

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:07:09 ] TheBlueFox > API doesnt do what i want it to

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:09:01 ] TheBlueFox > ugh, i wish i could modify the memory...i would have to disconnect to do that though

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:09:31 ] Abyx > :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:11:34 ] TheBlueFox > i think you missed my convo earlier

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:11:56 ] Abyx > i saw part of it

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:12:10 ] Abyx > just missed what u were actually wanting to acomplish :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:12:40 ] TheBlueFox > the idea is that everyone runs this little program i write on their pc while playing eve

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:13:02 ] TheBlueFox > it will upload the names of everyone in local to my server

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:13:17 ] TheBlueFox > that way allies can track enemy movements

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:13:42 ] Abyx > sound "simple" enough

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:14:23 ] TheBlueFox > other possibilities include having more than just the name, and being able to set standing flags that result in alerts

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:14:32 ] TheBlueFox > best part is that i sell this program

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:14:40 ] Abyx > that;s where it gets ugly :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:14:47 ] Abyx > more or less

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:14:48 ] TheBlueFox > hmm?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:14:51 ] TheBlueFox > how so?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:15:18 ] Abyx > depends on what u mean by more then just the name

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:15:47 ] TheBlueFox > well, other things like corporation, employement history, sec status, etc

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:16:44 ] TheBlueFox > nothing that wouldnt normally be possible with chat comms...this is just automated, more advanced, and faster :D

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:16:51 ] Abyx > i dont; think eve gets all taht info when u jump into a system

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:16:53 ] TheBlueFox > instantly check the status of a system!

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:16:57 ] TheBlueFox > oh but it does...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:17:18 ] Abyx > so tyhat;s mainly why jumping in to a populates system takes forever

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:17:26 ] Abyx > *populated

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:17:33 ] TheBlueFox > if i can find it in memory, its there

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:18:14 ] Abyx > just check the memory in a empty system then check in jita...u'll get a rrough idea as to where it is :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:19:31 ] TheBlueFox > but yeah, imagine how much this would give people the upper hand :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:19:38 ] TheBlueFox > and how much money i would be making

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:20:08 ] Abyx > :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:20:26 ] TheBlueFox > ISK of course...i dont plan on selling this for real money

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:20:33 ] Abyx > hehe

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:21:49 ] Abyx > but first u have to make it:P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:22:53 ] TheBlueFox > not that difficult

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:23:04 ] Abyx > :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:23:15 ] TheBlueFox > like right not im analyzing the chat

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:23:32 ] TheBlueFox > problem is that stuff keeps moving

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:23:34 ] TheBlueFox > its bloody annoying

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:23:45 ] Abyx > :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:24:07 ] TheBlueFox > meow!

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:24:15 ] TheBlueFox > woo, found where the last message resides

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:24:22 ] TheBlueFox > ...i think

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:24:35 ] TheBlueFox > maybe not? :(

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:25:02 ] Kat Lycaon > lol

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:25:04 ] TheBlueFox > well, it isnt moving much, thats sure

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:25:27 ] Abyx > afk a bit

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:25:46 ] TheBlueFox > 185A81F4 seems to be the last message

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:26:11 ] TheBlueFox > now it moved back to C4

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:26:47 ] Kat Lycaon > trying to haxor eve?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:26:53 ] TheBlueFox > sorta

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:27:07 ] TheBlueFox > not going to cheat

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:27:25 ] TheBlueFox > but did you read anything that i said earlier? :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:27:55 ] Kat Lycaon > i caught something about reading local off numerous accounts

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:27:57 ] Kat Lycaon > been mostly afk

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:28:05 ] TheBlueFox > well, idea is everyone runs my little program

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:28:11 ] Kat Lycaon > so youre trying to build a populated map, basically...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:28:14 ] TheBlueFox > yep

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:28:19 ] TheBlueFox > like the official map

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:28:24 ] TheBlueFox > but with lists of people in local

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:28:28 ] TheBlueFox > for our eyes only...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:28:36 ] TheBlueFox > and whoever can pay

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:28:45 ] Kat Lycaon > good luck with those last two parts

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:29:00 ] Kat Lycaon > how are you planning to secure it?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:29:17 ] TheBlueFox > well, it will be connecting to my server

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:29:41 ] TheBlueFox > even if people somehow manage to decrypt VB, which ive found to be rather difficult, they wouldnt have any of my server side stuff

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:29:50 ] TheBlueFox > ill be controlling access with keys of some sort

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:30:24 ] Kat Lycaon > whats the EULA say about making $ off the game?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:30:29 ] TheBlueFox > i didnt say $

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:30:34 ] TheBlueFox > this would all be ISK

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:33:13 ] TheBlueFox > can you see our fleet of disposable T2 and faction ships?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:33:15 ] TheBlueFox > ...i can

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:34:14 ] Abyx > back :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:34:23 ] Abyx > bah afk again...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:34:50 ] Kat Lycaon > ....so, how can i help?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:35:59 ] Kat Lycaon > anything that doesnt require real programming skills, money, isk, or large amounts of time

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:36:10 ] Kat Lycaon > which usually leaves...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:36:18 ] TheBlueFox > nothing? :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:36:22 ] Kat Lycaon > yay! great idea! wooo!

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:36:26 ] Kat Lycaon > cheerleading.

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:37:03 ] TheBlueFox > lol

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:37:09 ] TheBlueFox > well, time is pretty much all that is required

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:37:18 ] Kat Lycaon > well, if you get to the point of needing testing, im well equipped for that part

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:37:21 ] TheBlueFox > unless you like sifting through the memory finding out how stuff works

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:37:53 ] TheBlueFox > well, you'll definitely be in on the testing part :D

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:38:13 ] TheBlueFox > thinking just me testing it initially, then corp, then alliance

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:38:55 ] Abyx > back again :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:39:02 ] TheBlueFox > but i will get this working

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:39:38 ] Kat Lycaon > the biggest problem im seeing is, if its for sale... whats to stop hostiles from buying via alts, and getting very good intel on our side without even giving up similar info...?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:39:40 ] Abyx > nothing is impossible ...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:40:43 ] TheBlueFox > it wouldnt report friendlies?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:41:30 ] TheBlueFox > wouldnt be hard to have a server side filter

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:41:43 ] Kat Lycaon > so... anyone blue to us would be invisible? meaning, anyone not very closely aligned to us would get bad info?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:42:56 ] TheBlueFox > well, idea is that each alliance would get private ones

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:43:05 ] TheBlueFox > so ours would only have intel pertinent to ours

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:43:10 ] Kat Lycaon > ah

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:43:18 ] TheBlueFox > though there is the possibility of mutual sharin

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:43:19 ] TheBlueFox > sharing(

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:43:43 ] Kat Lycaon > so each client-group would have its own instance of the program

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:43:57 ] Abyx > btw u planing on sync-ing the info with all aliance members?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:44:01 ] TheBlueFox > no, everyone would have the same problem

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:44:07 ] TheBlueFox > program*

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:44:12 ] TheBlueFox > filters would all be server sided

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:44:21 ] TheBlueFox > yes, this would be something accessible via the IGB

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:44:31 ] TheBlueFox > lemme give you a sharing example

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:44:49 ] TheBlueFox > alliance A and B are friendly to each other

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:45:42 ] TheBlueFox > alliance A is friends with B, C, and D

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:45:55 ] TheBlueFox > alliance B is friendly with A, D, and E

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:46:09 ] TheBlueFox > alliance A is enemies with E, alliance B is enemies with C

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:46:39 ] TheBlueFox > err, lemme reverse that

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:46:49 ] TheBlueFox > we need to be discussing enemies, not friends

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:46:55 ] Abyx > :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:46:57 ] TheBlueFox > right, so A and B = friends

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:46:57 ] Kat Lycaon > too late, i already have a headache

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:47:02 ] TheBlueFox > lol, starting over

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:47:17 ] TheBlueFox > A is enemies with C and D

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:47:24 ] TheBlueFox > B is enemies with C and E

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:47:33 ] TheBlueFox > A is friends with E, alliance B is friends with D

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:48:08 ] TheBlueFox > only C would then be shared between the alliances server side, and their respective enemies would only show up for their respective enemies

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:48:09 ] Abyx > clear so far :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:48:37 ] TheBlueFox > so A couldnt steal info on D from B's map

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:48:49 ] TheBlueFox > and B couldnt steal info on E from A's map

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:49:11 ] TheBlueFox > simple enough>

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:49:12 ] TheBlueFox > ?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:49:23 ] Abyx > checking for flaws:P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:49:56 ] TheBlueFox > i can only think of one

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:50:29 ] TheBlueFox > i take that back...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:50:34 ] Kat Lycaon > lol

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:50:44 ] TheBlueFox > my flaw really wasnt a flaw

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:50:45 ] Abyx > problems arrise when c has standins with d or e i think

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:51:07 ] TheBlueFox > well, they arent part of the picture

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:51:27 ] TheBlueFox > you only share mutual enemies

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:51:43 ] TheBlueFox > though this could of course be disabled

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:52:27 ] Kat Lycaon > all intel on XX red alliance would be shared with all friendly factions who see XX as red, and no blue intel shared

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:52:41 ] Kat Lycaon > ...works fine, but spies are gonna love this thing

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:53:13 ] TheBlueFox > well, we cant really account for spies

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:53:29 ] TheBlueFox > as we all know that vent/TS and intel channels are always full of holes

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:53:51 ] Abyx > yea if u forget abotu spies then it;s all ok :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:53:56 ] TheBlueFox > while it makes it easier for spies to some extent, it makes it way easier for allies

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:54:27 ] Abyx > btw how are u planing on presenting the info?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:55:25 ] Kat Lycaon > its funnny how we always know we cant count on secure intel/vent...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:55:39 ] Kat Lycaon > and yet, when was the last time we got good intel on the reds that way?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:55:43 ] TheBlueFox > only secure intel is the kind you keep to yourself :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:55:44 ] Kat Lycaon > >.<

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:55:59 ] TheBlueFox > as for presentation

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:56:01 ] Abyx > :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:56:06 ] TheBlueFox > there would be an IGB version

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:56:19 ] TheBlueFox > i guess i could just list regions, and then individual systems

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:56:36 ] TheBlueFox > have the server generate images

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:56:51 ] TheBlueFox > no fancy flash like the killboards

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:57:24 ] TheBlueFox > out of game version would be more advanced in some regards, but you couldnt click certain links (ones that only work in-game)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:57:52 ] Abyx > any search options?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:58:22 ] Abyx > and if u get a visual does it spicify it or not?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 06:59:39 ] TheBlueFox > i was thinking AJAX visuals

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:00:23 ] TheBlueFox > server takes a png of the region, colour codes systems by enemy count, and then if you hover over them./click them, it would list people

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:00:39 ] Abyx > thats;t not whay i wanted to say

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:00:55 ] Abyx > for instance u jump into a new system and there; s jsut u and a red there to maek things simple

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:01:22 ] Abyx > then u go to wherev u want to and there u see the enemy (on overview)..for instancae another gate

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:01:48 ] Abyx > would your program update the infot as in enemy x is in system y near gate z?

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:02:03 ] TheBlueFox > possible, but that would be a lot more difficult to implement

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:02:08 ] Kat Lycaon > once you throw in ship-type tracking you'd have to add some sorta probability aspect...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:02:13 ] TheBlueFox > and locations in system can change very quickly

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:02:17 ] Kat Lycaon > and track POS and station locations...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:02:46 ] TheBlueFox > shiptype tracking would be a lot easier

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:03:02 ] TheBlueFox > but i want to do one thing at a time :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:03:06 ] Abyx > yea it woudl but if u;r ein a system with 4 gates out and your last knwon location is in that system u got 4 choices..if u also have a last position u coudl get lucky and knwo where he ehaded

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:03:17 ] Kat Lycaon > what about a 'sighting log' or something.. mouse over the person and get a 'last sighted in XXX ship in XXX system @ 11:22'

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:03:59 ] TheBlueFox > yeah, it would log movements rek

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:04:29 ] TheBlueFox > abyx, location within a system is a lot more difficult

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:04:40 ] Abyx > didnt; say it was easy :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:04:45 ] TheBlueFox > and as i said, they can change which gate/station they are at within 30 seconds

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:05:38 ] TheBlueFox > i was thinking that the program would read the memory every 10 seconds or so

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:06:28 ] TheBlueFox > sounds like you like this idea so far though :D

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:06:32 ] Abyx > so u got 9 sec to miss a red in a system :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:06:45 ] Abyx > :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:07:03 ] TheBlueFox > well, minor things like that can always be adjusted

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:07:11 ] Abyx > hehe

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:07:41 ] TheBlueFox > fortunately i have a dedicated server to facilitate all this stuff

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:07:46 ] Abyx > if u get it done u shoudl be able to track fleets with it wich is cool but of u go ta 5 man roaming gang it wont; help u much

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:07:50 ] Abyx > hehe

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:09:32 ] TheBlueFox > i have all of thursday afternoon to work on this

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:09:36 ] TheBlueFox > my brother will do a lot

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:10:05 ] TheBlueFox > he's done something similar to this before, so coding wont be too difficult

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:10:14 ] Abyx > nice

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:10:17 ] TheBlueFox > i need to write down exactly how this works

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:10:24 ] TheBlueFox > ill do that during class tomorrow :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:10:33 ] Abyx > :))

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:12:03 ] Abyx > btw i forgot to mention why u might not be allowed to read the memory :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:12:17 ] Abyx > teh client coudl aslo get info on where the red is in sytem

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:12:24 ] Abyx > i mean map coords

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:12:33 ] Abyx > or pirates and stuff

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:13:25 ] TheBlueFox > they cant really tell if im reading the memory

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:13:26 ] Abyx > as an example wow gives to teh client location on everthing on a zone when u enter it..chests/mobs/players/veins/plants

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:13:28 ] TheBlueFox > this isnt WoW :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:13:49 ] Abyx > :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:13:52 ] TheBlueFox > think the game only tells you location if they are on grid

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:14:02 ] TheBlueFox > but reading the memory is fine

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:14:10 ] TheBlueFox > changing stuff in the memory on the other hand...bad idea

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:14:22 ] Abyx > if the eula doesnt; say anything about not reading it then u;re right :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:14:45 ] TheBlueFox > EULA doesnt need to say anything about reading memory

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:15:12 ] TheBlueFox > if its something they dont need you to see, its pretty much stored server side

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:15:21 ] Abyx > mos fo eulas have a line with smthing like third party programs getting data from teh game

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:15:30 ] Abyx > only way to do this in eve is api and memory

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:15:36 ] TheBlueFox > lets see

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:15:46 ] TheBlueFox > API definitely won't do this

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:16:05 ] TheBlueFox > even then, you could have a very basic program that just captures a screenshot

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:16:28 ] TheBlueFox > text from the screenshot is then read and the results uploaded

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:16:36 ] TheBlueFox > there you go, just got around that :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:16:56 ] Abyx > that won;t work ine ve.,.a friend of mine tried taht and eve reports a wrong pixel colour randomly form time to time

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:17:12 ] TheBlueFox > still, its not that hard

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:17:15 ] TheBlueFox > my scanner does it...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:18:32 ] Abyx > he may do ti but it;s not that easy :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:18:50 ] TheBlueFox > "You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played."

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:19:02 ] TheBlueFox > im not modifying anything...

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:19:15 ] Abyx > then it;s all ok :)

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:20:08 ] TheBlueFox > says you cant packet sniff, but once again, memory isnt mentioned

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:21:23 ] Abyx > well i wiss u good luck :P

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:21:26 ] Abyx > gtg now

ÿþ[ 2007.10.17 07:21:31 ] TheBlueFox > goodnight!